How To Serve God And Last The Long Haul

An Interview with Josh McDowell, author of More Than A Carpenter and Evidence That Demands A Verdict

Renowned apologist and senior Cru staff shares nuggets of wisdom on lasting the long haul, the future of Christian apologetics and tips on how to be a witness. Check out the amazing wealth of resources he offers at https://www.josh.org/. Special thanks to Reasonable Faith Singapore for making this interview possible!

Loving every moment with Josh, who stays fresh in both heart and mind.

Josh, what strikes us is your longevity in Christian ministry – more than 50 years! Can you share with us – what keeps you going?

I would have to say it’s a calling. If your life is not motivated by a calling, you are going to be inconsistent your whole life. I feel called of God to do – to be on staff for Cru.

People always ask me, “When will you stop? When will you retire?”

I tell them, “I will stop when I wake up in the morning and I don’t have the fire in my gut to tell people about Jesus. Or if I wake up, I have the fire in my guts but I don’t have the emotional and physical energy to do it.

Or when my wife and children say to me, “It’s time to stop.”

Or bluntly, when Satan doesn’t say “Oh no, he’s up.”

Many full-time Christian ministers face ministry burnout. How do you keep yourself fresh?

For me, this is not a joke – an incredible sex life. I’m serious. When I am right with my wife and with my children, I will never burn out. To be right in the centre of God’s will with my wife, our intimacy and my children, you can throw hell at me and I can walk through it. 

When I was single, I wasn’t striving to be married. I was striving to be all that God wants me to be. Having a clear purpose in life is key to lasting the long haul – for both singles and married.

My purpose in life is to go to heaven and bring as many people with me as I can, and enjoy every moment of it. 

Gamely striking a pose when asked – Josh is such a good sport!

 

When you know what your purpose is, even in hard times, you won’t burn out. You burn out when you don’t keep yourself in shape physically and emotionally.

Be disciplined in your personal life. Most people are not disciplined. When you are not, you remain a weak individual and burn out.

You will also burn out if you don’t have the right kind of relationships. I always try to be around people who encourage me in ministry, and to build a good marriage and strong relationships with my kids.

What do you like to do in your leisure time when you are not jet-setting?

We all need hobbies. For years, Dottie and I were into re-doing antiques – buying junk and turning them into priceless antiques. We love it. It’s wonderful. Now for Dottie, it’s photography. She’s taking a photography course online.

As for me right now, it’s probably research. I just love it. It energises me every day. 

What are you researching about right now?

I am researching on Generation Z right now. I have also done extensive research on the topic of pornography. 

If you could go back in time and offer a piece of advice for the young Josh McDowell when he first started out as a Cru staff, what would it be? 

I’d use two words. Be faithful and be loyal. It won’t just be as a Cru staff. Faithfulness to God and to the organisation you are in. Faithfulness or endurance.

Are you faithful to Christ’s calling in your own life? Purity? Are you faithful to Cru’s principles? 

Having been in the front-row seat for Christian apologetics since 1961, what is an encouraging trend that you have observed?

Because of the Internet, there is an increased interest in apologetics. There are many young apologists rising up and it’s encouraging.

Church apologists need to address key issues such as: 1. Concept of Truth; 2. Same-sex marriage (the Church is losing the battle here in our attitude, not content); 3. Pornography; 4. Tolerance; 5. Is Christianity Good? (Not “Is Christianity true?”)

In approaching Christian apologetics, we need to follow this framework: What is the issue? What are its consequences? What is wrong with it? How does that affect you? What are the answers to it?

In Singapore, where religious harmony is greatly valued, could you share some tips with our readers how they can share their faith both convincingly and respectfully?

With gentleness (1 Pet 3:15), that’s how all we should do it anywhere, not just in Singapore. A man with an argument is always at the mercy of the one with an experience.

We should help everyone develop their three-to-four-minute personal testimony, or their story. And then developing a conviction – knowing what you believe, why you believe it and having an experience that can back it up.

What we need as believers is not just beliefs but convictions.

If you are looking for connecting and relevant evangelism training for your church youths or young working professionals, you can drop us an email at corpcomms@cru.org.sg to explore opportunities together!

Jesus: God or Just a Good Man?

Jesus’ distinct claims of being God eliminate the popular ploy of skeptics who regard Him as just a good moral man or a prophet who said a lot of profound things.

So often that conclusion is passed off as the only one acceptable to scholars or as the obvious result of the intellectual process.

The trouble is, many people nod their heads in agreement and never see the fallacy of such reasoning.

Analyzing Jesus’ Claim To Be God

C. S. Lewis, who was a professor at Cambridge University and once an agnostic, understood this issue clearly. He writes:

“I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: ‘I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.’ That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the son of God: or else a madman or something worse.”

Then Lewis adds: “You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon, or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come up with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”

In the words of Kenneth Scott Latourette, historian of Christianity at Yale University: “It is not His teachings which make Jesus so remarkable, although these would be enough to give Him distinction. It is a combination of the teachings of the man Himself. The two cannot be separated.”

Jesus claimed to be God. He didn’t leave any other option open. His claim must be either true or false, so it is something that should be given serious consideration.

Jesus’ question to His disciples, “But who do you say that I am?” (Matthew 16:15) has several alternatives.

First, suppose that His claim to be God was false. If it was false, then we have only two alternatives. He either knew it was false or He didn’t know it was false.

We will consider each one separately and examine the evidence.

Was He a Liar?

If, when Jesus made His claims, He knew that He was not God, then He was lying and deliberately deceiving His followers.

But if He was a liar, then He was also a hypocrite because He told others to be honest, whatever the cost, while He himself taught and lived a colossal lie.

More than that, He was a demon because He told others to trust Him for their eternal destiny. If He couldn’t back up His claims and knew it, then He was unspeakably evil.

Last, He would also be a fool because it was His claims to being God that led to His crucifixion.

Many will say that Jesus was a good moral teacher. Let’s be realistic. How could He be a great moral teacher and knowingly mislead people at the most important point of His teaching — His own identity? You would have to conclude logically that He was a deliberate liar.

This view of Jesus, however, doesn’t coincide with what we know either of Him or the results of His life and teachings.

Wherever Jesus has been proclaimed, lives have been changed for the good, nations have changed for the better, thieves are made honest, alcoholics are cured, hateful individuals become channels of love, unjust persons become just.

William Lecky, one of Great Britain’s most noted historians and a dedicated opponent of organized Christianity, writes: “It was reserved for Christianity to present to the world an ideal character which through all the changes of 18 centuries has inspired the hearts of men with an impassioned love; has shown itself capable of acting on all ages, nations, temperaments and conditions; has been not only the highest pattern of virtue, but the strongest incentive to its practice … The simple record of these three short years of active life has done more to regenerate and soften mankind than all the disquisitions of philosophers and all the exhortations of moralists.”

Historian Philip Schaff says:

“How, in the name of logic, common sense, and experience, could an imposter — that is a deceitful, selfish, depraved man — have invented, and consistently maintained from the beginning to end, the purest and noblest character known in history with the perfect air of truth and reality? How could He have conceived and successfully carried out a plan of unparalleled beneficence, moral magnitude, and sublimity, and sacrificed His own life for it, in the face of the strongest prejudices of His people and age?”

If Jesus wanted to get people to follow Him and believe in Him as God, why did He go to the Jewish nation? Why go as a Nazarene carpenter to a country so small in size and population and so thoroughly adhering to the undivided unity of God? Why didn’t He go to Egypt or, even more, to Greece, where they believed in various gods and various manifestations of them?

Someone who lived as Jesus lived, taught as Jesus taught, and died as Jesus died could not have been a liar.

Was He a Lunatic?

If it is inconceivable for Jesus to be a liar, then couldn’t He actually have thought Himself to be God, but been mistaken? After all, it’s possible to be both sincere and wrong.

But we must remember that for someone to think himself God, especially in a fiercely monotheistic culture, and then to tell others that their eternal destiny depended on believing in him, is no light flight of fantasy but the thoughts of a lunatic in the fullest sense.

Was Jesus Christ such a person?

Someone who believes he is God sounds like someone today believing himself Napoleon. He would be deluded and self‑deceived, and probably he would be locked up so he wouldn’t hurt himself or anyone else.

Yet in Jesus, we don’t observe the abnormalities and imbalance that usually go along with being deranged. His poise and composure would certainly be amazing if He were insane.

Noyes and Kolb, in a medical text, describe the schizophrenic as a person who is more autistic than realistic. The schizophrenic desires to escape from the world of reality. Let’s face it; claiming to be God would certainly be a retreat from reality.

In light of the other things we know about Jesus, it’s hard to imagine that He was mentally disturbed. Here is a man who spoke some of the most profound sayings ever recorded. His instructions have liberated many individuals from mental bondage.

Clark H. Pinnock asks: “Was He deluded about His greatness, a paranoid, an unintentional deceiver, a schizophrenic? Again, the skill and depth of His teachings support the case only for His total mental soundness. If only we were as sane as He!”

A student at a California university told me that his psychology professor had said in class that “all he has to do is pick up the Bible and read portions of Christ’s teaching to many of his patients. That’s all the counseling they need.”

Psychiatrist J. T. Fisher states:

“If you were to take the sum total of all authoritative articles ever written by the most qualified of psychologists and psychiatrists on the subject of mental hygiene — if you were to combine them and refine them, and cleave out the excess verbiage — if you were to take the whole of the meat and none of the parsley, and if you were to have these unadulterated bits of pure scientific knowledge concisely expressed by the most capable of living poets, you would have an awkward and incomplete summation of the Sermon on the Mount. And it would suffer immeasurably through comparison. For nearly 2,000 years the Christian world has been holding in its hands the complete answer to its restless and fruitless yearnings. Here … rests the blueprint for successful human life with optimism, mental health, and contentment.”

C. S. Lewis writes: “The historical difficulty of giving for the life, sayings, and influence of Jesus any explanation that is not harder than the Christian explanation is very great. The discrepancy between the depth and sanity … of His moral teaching and the rampant megalomania which must lie behind His theological teaching unless He is indeed God has never been satisfactorily explained. Hence the non‑Christian hypotheses succeed one another with the restless fertility of bewilderment.”

Philip Schaff reasons: “Is such an intellect — clear as the sky, bracing as the mountain air, sharp and penetrating as a sword, thoroughly healthy and vigorous, always ready and always self‑possessed — liable to a radical and most serious delusion concerning His own character and mission? Preposterous imagination!”

Was He Lord?

I cannot personally conclude that Jesus was a liar or a lunatic. The only other alternative is that He was the Christ, the Son of God, as He claimed.

When I discuss this with most Jewish people, it’s interesting how they respond. They usually tell me that Jesus was a moral, upright, religious leader, a good man, or some kind of prophet. I then share with them the claims Jesus made about Himself and then this material on the trilemma (liar, lunatic, or Lord).

When I ask if they believe Jesus was a liar, there is a sharp “No!”

Then I ask, “Do you believe He was a lunatic?” The reply is, “Of course not.”

“Do you believe He is God?”

Before I can get a breath in edgewise, there is a resounding, “Absolutely not.”

Yet one has only so many choices.

The issue with these 3 alternatives is not which is possible — for it is obvious that all 3 are possible. Rather, the question is, “Which is more probable?”

Who you decide Jesus Christ is must not be an idle intellectual exercise. You cannot put Him on the shelf as a great moral teacher. That is not a valid option.

He is either a liar, a lunatic, or Lord and God. You must make a choice.

“But,” as the apostle, John wrote, “these have been written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and” — more important ‑ “that believing you might have life in His name” (John 20:31).

The evidence is clearly in favor of Jesus as Lord. Some people, however, reject this clear evidence because of moral implications involved. They don’t want to face up to the responsibility or implications of calling Him Lord.


Excerpt from A Ready Defense by Josh McDowell. Used with permission